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Post by AYC on Dec 19, 2015 2:08:04 GMT
Damn. This is probably going to hurt his campaign quite a bit.
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Post by Hominid on Dec 19, 2015 6:24:33 GMT
This will hurt his campaign because it will make it hard to canvass, obviously. However, I don't see anyone consciously changing their mind over this; it's not a big enough issue.
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Post by orvillethird on Dec 19, 2015 16:07:11 GMT
This will hurt his campaign because it will make it hard to canvass, obviously. However, I don't see anyone consciously changing their mind over this; it's not a big enough issue. All his campaign needs to do is to get the base on the ground out canvassing. He's got at least a million people willing to contribute, a lot of people coming to his meetups, and like Obama before him, he's got a lot of enthusiastic young people on his side.
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Post by Jasen777 on Dec 19, 2015 17:39:41 GMT
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Post by orvillethird on Dec 20, 2015 5:59:07 GMT
Well, Sanders's actions just shot his campaign in the foot. This will no doubt be the "Dean Scream" they use to sideline him. And didn't his staffers notify the DNC in OCTOBER?
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Post by AYC on Dec 21, 2015 6:24:17 GMT
Frankly I thought Sanders handled the controversy very well in the debate. A cordial apology, accepted by Hillary, and very little drama or fireworks.
Really highlights the night-and-day difference with how these primaries are being run.
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Post by orvillethird on Dec 21, 2015 14:58:02 GMT
Well, Lindsey Graham just dropped out of the race, despite doing well in the "underdog" debate. Some of his remarks were interesting. www.wyff4.com/national/lindsey-graham-ends-white-house-bid/37064062Also, he may be trying to get OFF the ballot in SC, to avoid severe embarrassment. (Given how he barely won the nomination here in 2014, and did the worst of statewide Republicans in a Republican wave year, it was expected (by me at least) that a SC victory would be unlikely.)
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Post by orvillethird on Dec 21, 2015 14:58:54 GMT
Frankly I thought Sanders handled the controversy very well in the debate. A cordial apology, accepted by Hillary, and very little drama or fireworks. Really highlights the night-and-day difference with how these primaries are being run. Well, the primaries ain't the media. They have been ignoring (or mocking) Sanders, as opposed to taking him seriously.
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Post by Krall on Dec 21, 2015 17:06:55 GMT
Just un-stickying this thread, as I've realised were' too small to warrant stickying major politics discussion threads yet.
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Post by AYC on Dec 24, 2015 21:44:45 GMT
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Post by orvillethird on Dec 25, 2015 0:14:00 GMT
He's got an edge in NH, in part due to Vermont being next door. If he brought up Henry Wallace more, he might do better in Iowa. (Seriously- in a commemorative book on Iowa I found at a friend's house, he got more text on him than Hoover and Reagan- though, to be fair, it was for his biggest NON-governmental* accomplishment** of breeding and selling hybrid corn.) * Perhaps it may be even bigger than his governmental accomplishment. ** Unless you count his chicken breeding as his biggest accomplishment. The company his son founded (with his guidance), is estimated to have bred forty percent of the world's egg-laying hens.
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Post by spanishspy on Dec 25, 2015 10:37:42 GMT
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Post by orvillethird on Dec 25, 2015 17:05:48 GMT
I may consider voting for him. I'd certainly prefer him to everyone on the major tickets but Sanders, Paul, and maybe O'Malley.
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Post by Jasen777 on Dec 26, 2015 17:01:07 GMT
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Post by oyid on Dec 26, 2015 20:10:15 GMT
As a dirty foreigner, I was honestly disappointed in Sander's refusal to seriously attack Hilary in the last debate, even as the media was going nuts over the database scandal (he even went so far as to APOLOGIZE to his supposed enemy). I really think a lot of people are going to be disappointed when he inevitably drops out and endorses Clinton after Super Tuesday, but his campaign has done good insofar as it's shown the strength that an openly "socialist" candidate can have in the US, thus hopefully paving the way for better things in the future.
After he drops out, a lot of his supporters will follow along with the DNC, many others will be left too sore to care in the future but I'm holding out hope that most of them will be left susceptible to moving further and further left. It's up to the already-established left-wing to use this whole thing (which to me all seems like a big scheme to dupe the Occupy generation into voting Hilary) to their and their people's advantage.
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Post by AYC on Dec 26, 2015 20:31:34 GMT
As a dirty foreigner, I was honestly disappointed in Sander's refusal to seriously attack Hilary in the last debate, even as the media was going nuts over the database scandal (he even went so far as to APOLOGIZE to his supposed enemy). I really think a lot of people are going to be disappointed when he inevitably drops out and endorses Clinton after Super Tuesday, but his campaign has done good insofar as it's shown the strength that an openly "socialist" candidate can have in the US, thus hopefully paving the way for better things in the future. Bernie is very concerned with running a clean campaign. He seems to equate attacking Clinton with turning the race into a popularity contest - and given the state of the GOP race, who can blame him? Also, remember that what you consider basic social security Americans consider communism. Baby steps, man. Baby steps. I'll either vote Green or abstain for President if Hillary gets the nod. I'll play it by year on the other races.
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Post by orvillethird on Dec 28, 2015 2:18:58 GMT
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Post by AYC on Dec 30, 2015 9:00:32 GMT
www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/why-will-bernie-sanders-win_b_8836350.htmlAnnoyingly clickbaity-title aside, the poll does raise a good point. There doesn't seem to be a terrible amount of enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton among the base, and serious doubts about her credibility. Compared to Obama in 2008, how does Bernie Sanders fare against Clinton? His lack of minority appeal seems to be the biggest difference to me.
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Post by Jasen777 on Dec 30, 2015 16:33:07 GMT
Well also that Obama was young, charismatic, and an excellent speaker. Also ideologically flexible.
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Post by AYC on Dec 30, 2015 20:56:15 GMT
Well also that Obama was young, charismatic, and an excellent speaker. Also ideologically flexible. That I will concede. Bernie Sanders is very honest and passionate about what he believes, which unfortunately does not get him far in the American political system.
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