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Post by AYC on Jan 19, 2016 7:54:26 GMT
www.vox.com/2015/12/20/10629896/australia-plain-packagingSeveral countries are moving to emulate Australia's move in making brandless cigarette packaging mandatory. Essentially, all brands and trademarks are eliminated and replaced with dark brown packages that are mostly covered by graphic pictures showing the harmful effects of cigarette smoking. The UK, Ireland, and France have all passed laws phasing it in in the next few years, and the EU courts recently upheld it. Similar legislation has been attempted in the United States but tobacco companies have successfully defeated them in court. Do these plain cigarette packages go too far? Smoking is clearly harmful and the use of tobacco should be strongly discouraged, but is this infringing too much on smokers and tobacco companies? Personally I am inclined to be in favor of it, but as a gas station employee I can see why this would be unpleasant to stare at all day.
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Post by spanishspy on Jan 19, 2016 18:07:05 GMT
Smokers know what they're getting into. No reason to waste effort on those that won't be converted.
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Post by rinkou on Jan 19, 2016 19:10:00 GMT
Cigarette cases are a thing, man.
I could see a RedBubble market for off-brand cigarette cases based on original packaging.
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Post by Jasen777 on Jan 19, 2016 23:05:19 GMT
Ban smoking. 1 year grace period, after that, mandatory rehab.
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Post by AYC on Jan 19, 2016 23:21:19 GMT
Smokers know what they're getting into. No reason to waste effort on those that won't be converted. Studies show that the packaging has been effective at increasing quit attempts.Ban smoking. 1 year grace period, after that, mandatory rehab. Although I am heavily opposed to smoking tobacco, I don't such a think is possible or desirable. Tobacco is too widespread; the best we can do is limit its use. Plus I like using "tobacco" rolling papers and cigarette machines for weed
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Post by Jasen777 on Jan 20, 2016 4:54:58 GMT
Although I am heavily opposed to smoking tobacco, I don't such a think is possible or desirable. Tobacco is too widespread; the best we can do is limit its use. Plus I like using "tobacco" rolling papers and cigarette machines for weedI wouldn't really. I mean unless I was absolute dictator or something....
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Post by rinkou on Jan 20, 2016 6:02:09 GMT
Ban smoking. 1 year grace period, after that, mandatory rehab. You must be super fun at parties.
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Post by AYC on Jan 20, 2016 6:20:01 GMT
If I were an ASB I'd have marijuana and tobacco trade places in terms of legality and availability.
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Post by MinnesotaNationalist on Jan 20, 2016 8:07:43 GMT
I personally don't care, but I'd say keep at least half of the front of the box available to have the logo. Everything else can go to the "This stuff is completely bad for you" parts
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Post by Jasen777 on Jan 20, 2016 16:29:25 GMT
You must be super fun at parties. Well I don't do parties so that'd be a tough hypothesis to test.
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Post by eDGT on Jan 20, 2016 21:21:06 GMT
As a former smoker I say Yay. We're willing to poison ourselves several times a day with full knowledge of exactly what we're putting into our bodies, might as well make another effort to stop the kids from following us into early graves.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 22, 2016 8:05:40 GMT
what is next Cola because it is full of sugar and bad for the teeth, will i like the idea (i am not a smoker), if people want to smoke then words and images on a packages will not prevent them from smoking.
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Post by AYC on Jan 22, 2016 9:16:50 GMT
what is next Cola because it is full of sugar and bad for the teeth, will i like the idea (i am not a smoker), if people want to smoke then words and images on a packages will not prevent them from smoking. As I pointed out above, research indicates that the plain packaging has been effective at reducing the appeal of smoking and encouraging quit attempts.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 22, 2016 10:03:24 GMT
what is next Cola because it is full of sugar and bad for the teeth, will i like the idea (i am not a smoker), if people want to smoke then words and images on a packages will not prevent them from smoking. As I pointed out above, research indicates that the plain packaging has been effective at reducing the appeal of smoking and encouraging quit attempts. True but the warnings are such that after a time to become not shocking anymore.
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Post by rinkou on Jan 22, 2016 19:08:11 GMT
Why does everyone care so much about stopping smoking anyway, though?
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Post by lordroel on Jan 22, 2016 19:42:14 GMT
Why does everyone care so much about stopping smoking anyway, though? Because it kills and cost a lot of money, that what i have heard.
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Post by rinkou on Jan 22, 2016 19:52:23 GMT
Why does everyone care so much about stopping smoking anyway, though? Because it kills and cost a lot of money, that what i have heard. So does capitalism.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 22, 2016 20:09:31 GMT
Because it kills and cost a lot of money, that what i have heard. So does capitalism. Dan we should be happy to live under capitalism, if not than we would not live at all.
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Post by AYC on Jan 22, 2016 20:43:35 GMT
Because it kills and cost a lot of money, that what i have heard. So does capitalism. So we work within the system to fix it, like smoking. Neither will ever completely go away but we can sure as hell soften out their sharper edges.
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Post by Jasen777 on Jan 23, 2016 4:50:47 GMT
It's also a problem for many non-smokers who just want to breathe or smell in public places. (Though the restrictions over the last few decades have helped with that obviously).
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