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Post by Kubo Caskett on Mar 27, 2016 15:58:19 GMT
I read on AH.com that the Apartheid regime in South Africa would inevitably come to an end not only because its wrong but it wasn't sustainable in the long run. Of course we all know the regime ended peacefully when Mandela came to power in 1994 but there's a chance it might have gone differently...maybe in a grisly direction. Of course silencing him by any means-lethal or non-lethal- could have done the trick but as noted on AH.com there are other factors that could have affected Apartheid's existence in the late 20th century.
I wonder what could have been the factors taken to ensure that the Apartheid regime lasts somewhat well into the 21st century (into the 2000's at least)?
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Post by Kubo Caskett on Mar 28, 2016 0:23:40 GMT
Hello? any undertakers?
Bump.
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Post by orvillethird on Mar 28, 2016 3:08:37 GMT
Well, had Reagan been able to uphold his veto of sanctions, or had Thatcher hung on longer, South Africa would have had two big Western allies. The worst case scenario would be if Wouter Basson and his buddies in Project Coast were able to let their stuff out. That could lead to millions dead.
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Post by shamiboy on Mar 30, 2016 1:52:32 GMT
Well, you would a surviving unreformed USSR and Warsaw Pact, since the Apartheid government justified itself on Anti-Communism and not racism to the international community.
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Post by Epic History on Mar 31, 2016 3:38:06 GMT
Have Portugal keep Angola (and maybe Mozambique), reducing the strain on South Africa to face down Communists on their borders and also allow them to redirect funds into further building up their economy. A South Africa that is sufficiently tied into the global economy (And thus too painful for all to subject the country to economic warfare) and that can also develop a large black middle class that will become entwined with the Apartheid regime (And thus support it, since their prosperity is due to it) can last into the modern day.
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Post by Kubo Caskett on Apr 3, 2016 16:01:07 GMT
Well, you would a surviving unreformed USSR and Warsaw Pact, since the Apartheid government justified itself on Anti-Communism and not racism to the international community. So if the USSR went the way of PRC China (as in economic reform), does that mean the Apartheid regime still collapses as it did IOTL?
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Post by Tyranna on Mar 20, 2018 4:48:30 GMT
We might be facing a very similar situation of near-total sanctions against Russia (as a result of the Salisbury Chemical Weapon attack), similar to the very heave sanctions that existed against South Africa through the 60's 70's and early 80's. The Russian World Cup has potential to upstage the controversy of the British Lions' tours in S. Africa during Apartheid. While Russia's mis-deeds are not exactly like South Africa's racial segregation, one has to conclude that a similar recklessness and arrogance lies behind such acts as the invasion of Ukraine, the shooting down of the Malaysian Airliner, and the illegal use of Banned Chemical Weapons in other sovereign states. A 21st Century equivalent of the Apartheid-era sanctions could include an internet blackout for the offending country, a technology embargo, nuclear and chemical weapons inspections by the UN such as happened in Iraq, and also a ban on the majority of flights and even shipping. During Apartheid, South Africa had to develop its own technology fixes for essential imports such as making petroleum from coal, so in the case of Russia, the same might happen; if internet/modern technology such as Iphones, satellite communications, etc. were blocked totally, the boycotted power would have to create its own stand-alone inferior copy of the internet with no links to the outside world as well as crude back-engineered knock-offs of everything from Iphones to Tesla cars and drones with the attendant vulnerabilities to inferior reliability and hacking attacks directed at them by superior Western/Chinese/Japanese sanctions-backing interests.
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Post by futurist on Oct 15, 2018 23:08:01 GMT
Have Portugal keep Angola (and maybe Mozambique), reducing the strain on South Africa to face down Communists on their borders and also allow them to redirect funds into further building up their economy. A South Africa that is sufficiently tied into the global economy (And thus too painful for all to subject the country to economic warfare) and that can also develop a large black middle class that will become entwined with the Apartheid regime (And thus support it, since their prosperity is due to it) can last into the modern day. Please keep in mind, though, that this Black middle class can gradually demand more and more power for itself. Think of the present-day Democratic Party in the U.S., where the increased minority percentage is gradually making minorities more and more prominent and assertive within the Democratic Party.
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