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Post by whiteshore on May 6, 2016 2:07:03 GMT
I have heard that the military dictatorship in Indonesia, along with Mohammad Morsi's Egyptian Republic is also developing nuclear weapons as well and I could argue that Apartheid South Africa is as much an ally of the US-UK bloc as Manchuria is a Soviet ally, that is, they are allied with said regime simply because said regime is merely just too strategically important to abandon. BTW, have you ever watched that movie where terrorists attacked Brasilia after the funeral of the Brazilian President and the other G10 country leaders with the exception of the US President was killed by said terrorists (The G10 is comprised of the US, Brazil, the UK, France, the German Federation (OOC: Basically OTL Germany with the addition of Stettin and half of Silesia), India, the ROC, Japan, the USSR, and Iran). Yes i have, it called Brasilia has fallen, and it again one of those movies where the US saves they day at the end. If this goes on the Netherlands who still control Netherlands New Guinea as we all now and is not according to the Indonesia military junta occupying and enslaving the oppress people there will be force to also to develop nuclear weapons. Yea, I have heard that Filipino Presidential candidate Rodrigo Duterte, who will probably win the elections, has called on the Republic of the Philippines to develop nuclear weapons as a response to the "Islamosocialist" junta in Indonesia's nuclear program. In addition, I have heard that Angola's regime is still claiming Portuguese Cabinda even though it has autonomy within Portugal as well. BTW, what do you think of the "East is Red" timeline?
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Post by lordroel on May 6, 2016 7:30:12 GMT
Yes i have, it called Brasilia has fallen, and it again one of those movies where the US saves they day at the end. If this goes on the Netherlands who still control Netherlands New Guinea as we all now and is not according to the Indonesia military junta occupying and enslaving the oppress people there will be force to also to develop nuclear weapons. what do you think of the "East is Red" timeline? Why would that United States invade Iraq because it had WMD, it is known that if you want to you can developed them with out much problem, the UN might complain but they also have recently released a rapport that they estimate that in 2020 more than 20 countries will be considered nuclear powers.
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Post by whiteshore on May 6, 2016 10:09:11 GMT
what do you think of the "East is Red" timeline? Why would that United States invade Iraq because it had WMD, it is known that if you want to you can developed them with out much problem, the UN might complain but they also have recently released a rapport that they estimate that in 2020 more than 20 countries will be considered nuclear powers. Fortunately, the world is less tense than it was in the 1980s with the USSR and the Arab Union pursuing economic reforms in the 1990s onwards with the Arab Union pursuing limited, cautious democratization as well. OTOH, the threat posed by the USSR has been replaced by the threat posed by rogue states like the Manchuria-NK alliance, the "Islamosocialists" in Indonesia (OOC: Basically Gadhafi's Libya writ large and in Indonesia), the Islamic Republic of Industan, the Union of South Africa, and the like.
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Post by lordroel on May 6, 2016 10:47:52 GMT
Why would that United States invade Iraq because it had WMD, it is known that if you want to you can developed them with out much problem, the UN might complain but they also have recently released a rapport that they estimate that in 2020 more than 20 countries will be considered nuclear powers. Fortunately, the world is less tense than it was in the 1980s with the USSR and the Arab Union pursuing economic reforms in the 1990s onwards with the Arab Union pursuing limited, cautious democratization as well. OTOH, the threat posed by the USSR has been replaced by the threat posed by rogue states like the Manchuria-NK alliance, the "Islamosocialists" in Indonesia (OOC: Basically Gadhafi's Libya writ large and in Indonesia), the Islamic Republic of Industan, the Union of South Africa, and the like. But that does not mean the Cold War between the West and the East is over it simply means that we have the main cold war and several smaller sub cold war going on. Also how long do you think that Union of South Africa will try to keep Rhodesia alive, the Rhodesian Bush War has been going on sins 1964 and there is no end in side, the Rhodesia government controls the cities while the Zimbabwe African National Union hold the countryside, both hate each other so much that peace talk never amount to much.
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Post by whiteshore on May 6, 2016 11:29:47 GMT
I have heard that the Union of South Africa, which has become a military dictatorship after the coup by extremist members of the South African military in 1982, is considering intervening directly in Rhodesia, sending 40,000 men to Rhodesia in addition to the advisors they already have there in Rhodesia and the airstrikes they used to drive the ZANU out of the small towns they held prior to said airstrikes and there is a possibility that said action may lead to the Triple League of Angola, Mozambique, and the Democratic People's Republic of the Congo deciding that they must intervene in Rhodesia as well. BTW, how much of a threat do you think is Indonesia to the rest of the world?
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Post by lordroel on May 6, 2016 11:55:03 GMT
I have heard that the Union of South Africa, which has become a military dictatorship after the coup by extremist members of the South African military in 1982, is considering intervening directly in Rhodesia, sending 40,000 men to Rhodesia in addition to the advisors they already have there in Rhodesia and the airstrikes they used to drive the ZANU out of the small towns they held prior to said airstrikes and there is a possibility that said action may lead to the Triple League of Angola, Mozambique, and the Democratic People's Republic of the Congo deciding that they must intervene in Rhodesia as well. BTW, how much of a threat do you think is Indonesia to the rest of the world? Indonesia is a major thread, it claims Netherlands New Guinea, it support Islamic rebels in the Philippines, it has border wars with Malaysia, it has naval skirmishes with Singapore and not to forget a very hostile relation to Australia bordering on war more time then there is peace.
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Post by whiteshore on May 6, 2016 12:00:02 GMT
I have heard that their dictator has close ties to Mukden and Islamabad as well and his "Islamosocialist" ideology basically combines radical Islam with elements of Maoist communism as well. In addition, how powerful do you think is Industan militarily?
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Post by lordroel on May 6, 2016 12:08:22 GMT
I have heard that their dictator has close ties to Mukden and Islamabad as well and his "Islamosocialist" ideology basically combines radical Islam with elements of Maoist communism as well. In addition, how powerful do you think is Industan militarily? They produce many old Soviet copied hardware, even the soviet Union is not willing to sell them any new hardware, and it known that the Soviet Union sells to anybody who has money, even North Korea has better hardware than Industan. OOC: where is Industan located.
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Post by whiteshore on May 6, 2016 12:12:21 GMT
I have heard that their dictator has close ties to Mukden and Islamabad as well and his "Islamosocialist" ideology basically combines radical Islam with elements of Maoist communism as well. In addition, how powerful do you think is Industan militarily? They produce many old Soviet copied hardware, even the soviet Union is not willing to sell them any new hardware, and it known that the Soviet Union sells to anybody who has money, even North Korea has better hardware than Industan. OOC: where is Industan located. OOC: Industan is OTL Pakistan and they are called Industan because the partition of India ITTL left East Bengal part of India. IC: I have heard a politician for the Indian Federation call Industan "a paper tiger who uses cowers behind nuclear weapons and terrorists to conceal their weakness.
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Post by lordroel on May 6, 2016 12:24:24 GMT
They produce many old Soviet copied hardware, even the soviet Union is not willing to sell them any new hardware, and it known that the Soviet Union sells to anybody who has money, even North Korea has better hardware than Industan. OOC: where is Industan located. OOC: Industan is OTL Pakistan and they are called Industan because the partition of India ITTL left East Bengal part of India. IC: I have heard a politician for the Indian Federation call Industan "a paper tiger who uses cowers behind nuclear weapons and terrorists to conceal their weakness. OOC: thanks for the explanation, like these kind of threads a lot, on AH.com they have become a rarity as they are classified to belong most in shared world and on my forum there is not yet any started yet. IC: the Indian Federation must not speak to loud, but it is the British who is their major arms supplier, if not then they would also be considered a paper tiger as the Soviet Union does not want to sell them anything after the Indian Federation crushed the communist uprising of 1970-1974 which some says saw the lives end of more than 3 to 5 million people, a dark 4 years for the Indian Federation something they really do now want to be reminded of but which Industan loves to bring up when ever they are excused of doing something by the Indian Federation.
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Post by whiteshore on May 6, 2016 12:36:02 GMT
Well, India is now a near-first world country nowadays with them being the 6th largest economy in the world and one could argue that Indira Gandhi's decisive leadership of the Indian Federation helped turn the Indian Federation into the powerhouse it is nowadays. I have also heard that the Indian Federation and the Republic of China are collaborating on major arms with the Arjun MBT being basically a modified Black Dragon MBT as well.
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Post by lordroel on May 6, 2016 15:18:01 GMT
Well, India is now a near-first world country nowadays with them being the 6th largest economy in the world and one could argue that Indira Gandhi's decisive leadership of the Indian Federation helped turn the Indian Federation into the powerhouse it is nowadays. I have also heard that the Indian Federation and the Republic of China are collaborating on major arms with the Arjun MBT being basically a modified Black Dragon MBT as well. India is already the largest operator of the British designed Challenger I (2,400) and the Challenger II (1,250) main battle tanks, so having 124 Arjun Mk Is and IIs will not hurt their relation with the United Kingdom at all, it more a prestige project for India than a real replacement of the Challenger tank. India is however really looking to replace their fleet of BAe Tempest jet fighters (OOC: British Aerospace EAP) of which they have more than 245 of with the local produce HAL Tejas combined with their 119 Tornado jet fighter and 242 Typhoons they have in service they will have one of the strongest air forces in the region.
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Post by whiteshore on May 7, 2016 2:36:27 GMT
BTW, what do you think of Presidential candidate Rodrigo Duterte's promise that if elected, the Philippines would develop nuclear weapons due to the Islamosocialist regime in Indonesia doing the same? I think that the Philippines could develop nukes in less than 2 years if such a decision is made due to our vast civilian nuclear energy program which provides 2/5ths of our electricity and thank god that Ferdinand Marcos died in 1972 before, as declassified documents show, he could declare martial law and without his untimely death, there would not be a shift to the semi-presidential system in 1973 which led to a single six-year term presidency starting in 1974.
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Post by lordroel on May 7, 2016 4:02:10 GMT
BTW, what do you think of Presidential candidate Rodrigo Duterte's promise that if elected, the Philippines would develop nuclear weapons due to the Islamosocialist regime in Indonesia doing the same? I think that the Philippines could develop nukes in less than 2 years if such a decision is made due to our vast civilian nuclear energy program which provides 2/5ths of our electricity and thank god that Ferdinand Marcos died in 1972 before, as declassified documents show, he could declare martial law and without his untimely death, there would not be a shift to the semi-presidential system in 1973 which led to a single six-year term presidency starting in 1974. Never going to happen, remember the Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Philippines, well the United States has made it 100% clear that if the Philippines is going to develop nuclear weapons then that treaty will be no longer in effect, the United States has always made it clear that the Philippines is under the nuclear umbralla of the United States, Presidential candidate Rodrigo Duterte's knows that very well himself, this is just him looking tough to those he hoops who will vote for him.
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Post by whiteshore on May 7, 2016 7:14:12 GMT
BTW, what do you think of Presidential candidate Rodrigo Duterte's promise that if elected, the Philippines would develop nuclear weapons due to the Islamosocialist regime in Indonesia doing the same? I think that the Philippines could develop nukes in less than 2 years if such a decision is made due to our vast civilian nuclear energy program which provides 2/5ths of our electricity and thank god that Ferdinand Marcos died in 1972 before, as declassified documents show, he could declare martial law and without his untimely death, there would not be a shift to the semi-presidential system in 1973 which led to a single six-year term presidency starting in 1974. Never going to happen, remember the Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Philippines, well the United States has made it 100% clear that if the Philippines is going to develop nuclear weapons then that treaty will be no longer in effect, the United States has always made it clear that the Philippines is under the nuclear umbralla of the United States, Presidential candidate Rodrigo Duterte's knows that very well himself, this is just him looking tough to those he hoops who will vote for him. Yea, but the Philippines is still a major military power with 400,000 men, a navy which includes 2 light carriers and 6 guided missile destroyers, an army with 200 Black Dragon MBTs purchased from China, and a world-class airforce. Also, do you remember how unpopular the Japanese Nuclear Program was? Finally, can one consider South Africa to be the Western Bloc's "Manchuria"?
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Post by lordroel on May 7, 2016 11:02:39 GMT
Never going to happen, remember the Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Philippines, well the United States has made it 100% clear that if the Philippines is going to develop nuclear weapons then that treaty will be no longer in effect, the United States has always made it clear that the Philippines is under the nuclear umbralla of the United States, Presidential candidate Rodrigo Duterte's knows that very well himself, this is just him looking tough to those he hoops who will vote for him. Yea, but the Philippines is still a major military power with 400,000 men, a navy which includes 2 light carriers and 6 guided missile destroyers, an army with 200 Black Dragon MBTs purchased from China, and a world-class airforce. Also, do you remember how unpopular the Japanese Nuclear Program was? Finally, can one consider South Africa to be the Western Bloc's "Manchuria"? Those two light carriers date from world war Ii and can only handle helicopters, the guided missile destroyers have no missile anymore because the United States does not produce them any more, the army 200 Black Dragon MBTs have so far not been used to engage the Indonesia backed Islamic rebels and are more used to parade around in the capitol of Manila and the world class air force is 50% grounded due to lake of spare parts, while a democracy the Philippines is, more money ends up in the pockets of politicians than where it is needed. Also i do not see the Union of South Africa to be the Western Bloc's "Manchuria, despite being a apartheid state they are still a democracy, yes of course only white people can vote, but it is more than the Manchuria system of friends politics.
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Post by whiteshore on May 7, 2016 11:09:49 GMT
I was talking in the sense of "no one in said superpower likes them but they are too strategically important to abandon". BTW, do you remember tbe protests in Hiroshima and Nagasaki after the nuclear test with a Gallup poll saying that 61% of Japanese disapproved of the nuclear program Japan has?
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Post by lordroel on May 7, 2016 11:36:40 GMT
I was talking in the sense of "no one in said superpower likes them but they are too strategically important to abandon". BTW, do you remember tbe protests in Hiroshima and Nagasaki after the nuclear test with a Gallup poll saying that 61% of Japanese disapproved of the nuclear program Japan has? Can you blame not them, so far Hiroshima and Nagasaki are the only cities after to have been hit by a nuclear bomb, the protest where more heavier than when the Japanese government announced in 2006, two years after the Tokyo International Twin Towers attack that they would remove Article 9 from the constitution or even when in 2010 they added the Imperial to the Self Defense Force name.
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Post by whiteshore on May 7, 2016 12:33:00 GMT
Well, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the only cities destroyed with nuclear weapons, but South Africa used two tactical nuclear weapons to destroy major Angolan armies in 2003, during the Great African War of 2001-2004. BTW, I have heard that Muhammad Amir's Islamic Republic of Industan also contemplated using nukes in the Kargil War of 1999-2001 which led to India gaining control over Kashmir as well.
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Post by lordroel on May 7, 2016 12:48:18 GMT
Well, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the only cities destroyed with nuclear weapons, but South Africa used two tactical nuclear weapons to destroy major Angolan armies in 2003, during the Great African War of 2001-2004. BTW, I have heard that Muhammad Amir's Islamic Republic of Industan also contemplated using nukes in the Kargil War of 1999-2001 which led to India gaining control over Kashmir as well. Had Industan used nuclear weapons in the Kargil War than India would have blasted theme to the stone age and whey would not have seen all these major terrorist attacks that where sponsored by Industan that begun after the Kargil War had ended, many saw the lost of Kashmir to India as a shift of policy for Industan as they really began aiding terrorist origination as a face saving face.
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