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Post by MinnesotaNationalist on Jan 17, 2017 8:58:39 GMT
(Oh yes, they're back) Popular culture isn't something that seems to be brought up much in Future History (for fair enough reasons, it's freaking impossible to predict. Like the weather, you can get a good estimate about a week ahead, and afterwards its all guesswork). What it tends to be in Future Histories, from my experience, is that it seems like pop culture just freezes and stays the same forever. This of course is hardly the case.
One thing I'm always intrigued by is this: Think back to the 1920's, with all its singers, movie stars, sports stars, writers, and painters, and try to name all of them. Now do the same but with our current generation. You can probably easily name ten times more, if not upwards of a hundred times more, but it's not like there's more musicians, actors, athletes, writers, painters today (okay, that's not exactly true, there are more), but rather that only a few of them have to be remembered to this day. Think back even further, let's say the entire 1600's, now try to name all the musicians, painters, and writers from that era. You're only going name a few. Again, this is (mostly) because only a few stand the test of time.
So my question is, of our artists and athletes, pop stars and game designers, whose names (including company names) do you think will be remembered by the common person in a hundred years, 400 years, a thousand years even?
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Post by wendy on Jan 24, 2017 9:46:31 GMT
There is a unit called the warhol (named after andy, who famously noted everyone has their 15 minutes of fame). A kilowarhol is a metric 9-day wonder. A megawarhol, is the sort of thing your mother and father talk about as if you should know, and you have not got a clue. A gigawarhol is then someone they speak about centuries later.
I suspect the beatles are GWa class. Something like Perry Como or Vera Lynn are MWa class. Abba and the Rolling stones are a lesser league than the beatles. I suspect some Australian bands would be up there too, like New World Trio.
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Post by eDGT on Feb 1, 2017 20:44:01 GMT
Surprised I missed this before.
Tolkien will still be remembered, mostly because all High Fantasy is based off of the framework he laid out; Norse, Germanic, and Old English basis, Good vs Evil plotline etc. I'll also say Asimov for sci-fi, those guys are practically immortal at this point.
For great actors I've the felling that memes will ensure that DiCaprio will at least be remembered as "That guy who never won that award", and then the pedants of the group will chime up "Actually he won in 2016, but the response was underwhelming as the top memewrites of the time were focusing on the USian elections!"
I'm not a big musician, but I'd that Hendrix, the Beatles, Elvis, Dylan, Jagger and Richardson are all going to be here forever. I also think that deadMau5 and Daft Punk will be remembered too, simply because of their head gear. I actually forgot who Daft Punk are, but the robot heads are engraved in my mind.
To go local for myself though the Dubliners and the Pogues are fuckin' immortal already.
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Post by Jasen777 on Feb 5, 2017 23:11:53 GMT
So my question is, of our artists and athletes, pop stars and game designers, whose names (including company names) do you think will be remembered by the common person in a hundred years, 400 years, a thousand years even? I don't think much will be remembered by the common person. Though of course it depends on what exactly you mean by "common person" and "remembered". If there is no great catastrophe (and proper archival upkeep from the digital age on) most people should be remembered in the sense that the data will be there who those who look. You could probably find out about 100s of classical (used broadly to cover a few hundred years of European music) composers if you wanted, but even people into that or are taking a music history class probably only know a couple dozen, and I'd bet the "common person" would know like 5 at the most. I could see common knowledge of rock and roll being, "the dominant style of music in the west in the late 20th and 21st centuries, highlighted by the work of Elvis, The Beatles, and the early AI musician Binary Bot". If also depends what happens in the future of course. If Asian-centric (which is likely if their per capita income continues to increase and is also a turn back to the historical pattern) that's bound to effect things. Perhaps 500 years from known Tolkien will be the only fantasy writer known from "that period when western writers dominated".
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Post by Jasen777 on Feb 5, 2017 23:16:43 GMT
Surprised I missed this before. Tolkien will still be remembered, mostly because all High Fantasy is based off of the framework he laid out; Norse, Germanic, and Old English basis, Good vs Evil plotline etc. I'll also say Asimov for sci-fi, those guys are practically immortal at this point. For great actors I've the felling that memes will ensure that DiCaprio will at least be remembered as "That guy who never won that award", and then the pedants of the group will chime up "Actually he won in 2016, but the response was underwhelming as the top memewrites of the time were focusing on the USian elections!"I'm not a big musician, but I'd that Hendrix, the Beatles, Elvis, Dylan, Jagger and Richardson are all going to be here forever. I also think that deadMau5 and Daft Punk will be remembered too, simply because of their head gear. I actually forgot who Daft Punk are, but the robot heads are engraved in my mind. To go local for myself though the Dubliners and the Pogues are fuckin' immortal already. I mean I didn't know who the Pogues were until I googled it, so I think it very unlikely that the common person inthe future would know them, unless you are talking very locally perhaps. I wonder about Asimov, if people study or ae familiar with mid 20th century sci-fi, then sure. But I think most of his stuff won't age that well - 500 years from now he might be known almost exclusively by science fiction literature specialists.
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Post by eDGT on Feb 6, 2017 0:37:28 GMT
I mean I didn't know who the Pogues were until I googled it, so I think it very unlikely that the common person inthe future would know them, unless you are talking very locally perhaps. I wonder about Asimov, if people study or ae familiar with mid 20th century sci-fi, then sure. But I think most of his stuff won't age that well - 500 years from now he might be known almost exclusively by science fiction literature specialists. I did very clearly say that it was just local, as in specifically Ireland.
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Post by MinnesotaNationalist on Feb 6, 2017 9:35:24 GMT
So my question is, of our artists and athletes, pop stars and game designers, whose names (including company names) do you think will be remembered by the common person in a hundred years, 400 years, a thousand years even? I don't think much will be remembered by the common person. Though of course it depends on what exactly you mean by "common person" and "remembered". If there is no great catastrophe (and proper archival upkeep from the digital age on) most people should be remembered in the sense that the data will be there who those who look. You could probably find out about 100s of classical (used broadly to cover a few hundred years of European music) composers if you wanted, but even people into that or are taking a music history class probably only know a couple dozen, and I'd bet the "common person" would know like 5 at the most. I could see common knowledge of rock and roll being, "the dominant style of music in the west in the late 20th and 21st centuries, highlighted by the work of Elvis, The Beatles, and the early AI musician Binary Bot". If also depends what happens in the future of course. If Asian-centric (which is likely if their per capita income continues to increase and is also a turn back to the historical pattern) that's bound to effect things. Perhaps 500 years from known Tolkien will be the only fantasy writer known from "that period when western writers dominated". Elvis and the Beatles I think can be safely declared as the 1900's equivalents of Beethoven and Mozart. I would consider Beethoven and Mozart to be names the common person (at least in the Western world) would know. eDGT mentioned Henderix, Dylan, Jagger and Richardson, who I'd put more at a Bach level, i.e. Probably commonly talked about through music classes, but not much else outside (at least that's how it is in America, can't speak for Europe), as opposed to Elvis and Mozart, who would stay in public conciousness
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Post by steve59 on Feb 6, 2017 16:03:07 GMT
Surprised I missed this before. Tolkien will still be remembered, mostly because all High Fantasy is based off of the framework he laid out; Norse, Germanic, and Old English basis, Good vs Evil plotline etc. I'll also say Asimov for sci-fi, those guys are practically immortal at this point. For great actors I've the felling that memes will ensure that DiCaprio will at least be remembered as "That guy who never won that award", and then the pedants of the group will chime up "Actually he won in 2016, but the response was underwhelming as the top memewrites of the time were focusing on the USian elections!"I'm not a big musician, but I'd that Hendrix, the Beatles, Elvis, Dylan, Jagger and Richardson are all going to be here forever. I also think that deadMau5 and Daft Punk will be remembered too, simply because of their head gear. I actually forgot who Daft Punk are, but the robot heads are engraved in my mind. To go local for myself though the Dubliners and the Pogues are fuckin' immortal already. I mean I didn't know who the Pogues were until I googled it, so I think it very unlikely that the common person inthe future would know them, unless you are talking very locally perhaps. I wonder about Asimov, if people study or ae familiar with mid 20th century sci-fi, then sure. But I think most of his stuff won't age that well - 500 years from now he might be known almost exclusively by science fiction literature specialists. Possibly an age thing as I grew up with his stories but tempted to agree with eDGT on Asimov. Apart from the fact that in his last years he tried to pull just about everything into a single TL, which I'm not sure worked, he produced so many classics. The Foundation series, the robot stories, Nightfall, The Gods Themselves. Also concepts such as an human only galaxy, the Laws of Robotics. A lot will be outdated or proven wrong but he will have a similar value in the development of SF to Jules Verne nowadays. True only known to SF readers but then how many people outside that field would know him know or just about any other SF writer?
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Post by punkrockbowler805 on Apr 28, 2017 6:53:41 GMT
I think in the distant future people might mistake I Claudius for a Shakespeare play.
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Post by matttheczar on Jul 30, 2017 0:52:19 GMT
I think a lot of 2010s and late 2000s EDM pop music will be forgotten or spurned, much like disco was. The indie hits of the time will be better remembered.
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