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Post by MarshalBraginsky on Aug 16, 2017 3:44:16 GMT
So with regards to a surviving Confederate States of America, the socio-political effects of its existence would have been more slavery and the economic effects of it would be that the CSA remains agrarian, with little industry that would exist. However, I'm not sure if anyone would have discussed the effects of a surviving CSA on tourism.
In an alternate modern day Confederacy, how would tourism be viewed? Though African tourists might be discouraged from coming to the CSA, how would tourists from Europe, Asia and Latin America be affected by it? Would there be any large scale tourism or small scale tourism as not much of great value in terms of tourism would be displayed to the public other than old Civil War/War of Secession cemeteries and battlefields?
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Post by MinnesotaNationalist on Aug 16, 2017 5:37:03 GMT
Assuming Slavery of any kind was still around, that probably limits how much tourism there ever will be. If it's just Jim Crow, it might not be as bad, but it will still hamper it quite a bit. (and the consensus among alt-historians is that Confederacy would definitely still be in Jim Crow in the modern day)
Tourism will probably mostly consist of seeing natural beauties, like the Appalachians or going to the Floridan Coast once that starts to boom into a tropical paradise. New Orleans would probably be the center of cultural tourism, especially from France and Franco-phone countries. Otherwise, I'm not sure how much other cultural hotspots will flair up in the Confederacy (from what I remember, Tennessee only grew to musical prominence after the civil war, so it might not get to that position). Virginia may become a popular tourist spot for its War of Secession memorials, but I'm not sure how popular they would be (especially to the outside world).
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Post by steve59 on Aug 16, 2017 19:34:38 GMT
I can't really see formal slavery surviving until the present day, as it was already pretty much a pariah subject for the developed west. At least unless you get something like a victorious Nazi equivalent so racism is much more popular. However forms of suppression of a technically free black population and/or seeking to expel the blacks from the CSA. This also presumes that it survives as a coherent state, which some people think is unlikely.
Given those conditions as MN saya there are probably relatively little prospects unless the south produces some dramatic cultural insitutions or inovations, which could occur. New Orleans and possibly parts of Texas and the Appalacians for sceanery, the Gulf coast [outside the Hurricane season of course] for the weather and possibly some other areas. If there is a space industry in the CSA then that might be an attraction, since Florida is well placed for such an operation.
There could be areas of military significance. Including possibly northern visitors for places such as Yorktown and tours of battle sites for the civil war [plus possibly later ones!] If a successful south gained say OTL New Mexico/Arizona then you might have something like OTL Los Vegas, which for reasons of climate or gambling or whatever is a tourist attraction. [Although you might need a fair degree of cultural change or [more likely] simply hypocrism for the socially conservative south to have a substantial sin city].
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Post by MarshalBraginsky on Aug 17, 2017 2:19:22 GMT
I can't really see formal slavery surviving until the present day, as it was already pretty much a pariah subject for the developed west. At least unless you get something like a victorious Nazi equivalent so racism is much more popular. However forms of suppression of a technically free black population and/or seeking to expel the blacks from the CSA. This also presumes that it survives as a coherent state, which some people think is unlikely. Given those conditions as MN saya there are probably relatively little prospects unless the south produces some dramatic cultural insitutions or inovations, which could occur. New Orleans and possibly parts of Texas and the Appalacians for sceanery, the Gulf coast [outside the Hurricane season of course] for the weather and possibly some other areas. If there is a space industry in the CSA then that might be an attraction, since Florida is well placed for such an operation. There could be areas of military significance. Including possibly northern visitors for places such as Yorktown and tours of battle sites for the civil war [plus possibly later ones!] If a successful south gained say OTL New Mexico/Arizona then you might have something like OTL Los Vegas, which for reasons of climate or gambling or whatever is a tourist attraction. [Although you might need a fair degree of cultural change or [more likely] simply hypocrism for the socially conservative south to have a substantial sin city]. I could imagine that a surviving Confederacy might also resemble Apartheid-era South Africa in terms of social policies. Even if the CSA was forced to free their slaves, they would simply put them in ghettoes or expel them to Liberia. However, a lack of slave presence would mean that regular Confederate farmers would have to take up the plantation work, so unless the CSA adopts the cotton gin or any other labor saving devices that could help harvest the cotton a lot faster, there is no way that the Confederate economy would thrive long enough for tourism to flourish. The arts would definitely be something that the Confederates would have to focus on if they want to have a thriving tourist industry. Museums of paintings of Confederate artists would be displayed, but I suspect that their paintings would be as bland and boring as the Nazi era paintings that Hitler would approve. Horseback riding would definitely be a major hit though, as well as eco-tourism and camping. Confederate civilians would be pleased to brag about the virtues of Confederate compassion for the environment, as opposed to the damnyankees who wrecked their own country's environment. Another weird possibility in a surviving Confederacy scenario would be that they will become the pioneers of environmental nationalism. Farmers' markets would also be a major sight within a surviving Confederacy though, if their main industry would be agriculture.
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Post by futurist on Oct 15, 2018 23:41:04 GMT
I can't really see formal slavery surviving until the present day, as it was already pretty much a pariah subject for the developed west. At least unless you get something like a victorious Nazi equivalent so racism is much more popular. However forms of suppression of a technically free black population and/or seeking to expel the blacks from the CSA. This also presumes that it survives as a coherent state, which some people think is unlikely. Expelling the Blacks from the CSA once they are freed could be viewed as being problematic since the CSA might still need them for cheap labor. As far as I know, in our TL, some Southerners complained about the African-American Great Migration to the Northern and Western U.S. in our TL because even though they disliked Blacks, they understood that Blacks were vital to the South's economy.
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