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Post by futurist on Oct 18, 2018 0:27:02 GMT
Would it have been plausible for the West plus Japan to militarily intervene in China in order to restore order and a centralized government there in a scenario where World War I doesn't break out? After all, China descended into anarchy and civil war in the 1910s and the West didn't do anything about it in our TL due to it being preoccupied with WWI (and then being too exhausted to do much about China after World War I had ended). Would the West have been more willing to militarily intervene in China in the 1910s in order to restore order and centralized government in China if the West wasn't distracted and exhausted by World War I?
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Post by futurist on Oct 28, 2018 23:34:42 GMT
FTR, the logic behind such a Western intervention would be to restore order in China and end warlordism there so that Western Powers (plus Japan) have an easier time making deals in China. A weak central government is probably easier to deal with than a bunch of warlords.
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Post by steve59 on Oct 29, 2018 21:56:28 GMT
Its possible. Although it would probably prompt a hell of a lot of resentment among the general Chinese population. Depends on how much actual backing the governmnent the western powers actually has.
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Post by futurist on Oct 29, 2018 22:42:54 GMT
Its possible. Although it would probably prompt a hell of a lot of resentment among the general Chinese population. Depends on how much actual backing the governmnent the western powers actually has. In regards to your last sentence here, do you mean the Chinese government that the Western Powers plus Japan install? Basically, I think that, if a military intervention in China will indeed occur, the West and Japan would look for some consensus candidate to be China's new leader. I doubt that they would have restored the Chinese monarchy, though.
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Post by steve59 on Oct 30, 2018 10:56:58 GMT
Its possible. Although it would probably prompt a hell of a lot of resentment among the general Chinese population. Depends on how much actual backing the governmnent the western powers actually has. In regards to your last sentence here, do you mean the Chinese government that the Western Powers plus Japan install? Basically, I think that, if a military intervention in China will indeed occur, the West and Japan would look for some consensus candidate to be China's new leader. I doubt that they would have restored the Chinese monarchy, though.
Yes I was including Japan among the western powers. Sorry about being unclear.
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Post by punkrockbowler805 on Nov 5, 2018 0:55:07 GMT
I think without a proper World War I, there would have been smaller colonial wars and disputes. There would need to another Boxer Rebellion type thing, maybe something with Sun Yat Sen deposing the monarchy and trying to form a republic and the early KMT. That could be an excuse to carve up China as colonies. I also think the bigger powers might have forcibly partitioned the Portuguese Empire if not at each other's throats.
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Post by steve59 on Nov 5, 2018 9:24:50 GMT
I think without a proper World War I, there would have been smaller colonial wars and disputes. There would need to another Boxer Rebellion type thing, maybe something with Sun Yat Sen deposing the monarchy and trying to form a republic and the early KMT. That could be an excuse to carve up China as colonies. I also think the bigger powers might have forcibly partitioned the Portuguese Empire if not at each other's throats.
The problem with a partition was that as well as the Chinese themselves Britain and the US were opposed to the idea. Both wanted access to all of China for their goods and if it was partitioned you would almost certainly see restrictions on who could trade where.
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