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Post by futurist on Jan 2, 2019 22:54:20 GMT
If Nazi Germany wins WWII (for instance, by having Britain makes peace in 1940 and by defeating the USSR in 1941-1942--thus pushing the USSR east of the Urals) and becomes a democracy sometime after Hitler's death, what exactly is it going to do with its vast Lebensraum--primarily in the East?
I'm assuming that millions or tens of millions of Slavs are going to get deported east of the Urals while Nazi Germany is still a dictatorship (though I suppose that some Slavs--such as Poles--could end up elsewhere--such as in Latin America if the countries there will accept them). However, is Germany actually going to allow all of these Slavs to return to Eastern Europe after Germany becomes a democracy?
Any thoughts on this?
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Post by eurofed on Jan 7, 2019 17:23:39 GMT
Post-Nazi Germany would almost surely pull out from the territories where Nazi settler colonization failed to take hold, at most only trying to ensure a comeback by hostile Slav polities does not turn into a serious security risk. But even a democratic Germany would absolutely want to keep all the Eastern territories it managed to Germanize during the Nazi period (at the very least this would in all likelihood include Czechia, Poland, the Baltic and a varying portion of Belarus and Ukraine), and fiercely resist all Slav attempts to claim them back. Their attitude about the abuses of their predecessors would likely be a mix of the ones of post-Soviet Russia and modern Japan, much more so than OTL Bundesrepublik. About their own territorial and demographic integrity and the immigration claims of a likely hostile and irredentist diaspora, their attitude would most likely resemble the one of Israel.
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Post by futurist on Jan 8, 2019 0:01:02 GMT
Post-Nazi Germany would almost surely pull out from the territories where Nazi settler colonization failed to take hold, at most only trying to ensure a comeback by hostile Slav polities does not turn into a serious security risk. But even a democratic Germany would absolutely want to keep all the Eastern territories it managed to Germanize during the Nazi period (at the very least this would in all likelihood include Czechia, Poland, the Baltic and a varying portion of Belarus and Ukraine), and fiercely resist all Slav attempts to claim them back. Their attitude about the abuses of their predecessors would likely be a mix of the ones of post-Soviet Russia and modern Japan, much more so than OTL Bundesrepublik. About their own territorial and demographic integrity and the immigration claims of a likely hostile and irredentist diaspora, their attitude would most likely resemble the one of Israel. I completely agree with all of this other than your optimism about German success in Germanizing so much land in such a short time frame. Obviously if the Germans will rule this land for centuries, then they could certainly Germanize a lot of it--especially if Germany will remain an authoritarian state for centuries who will have no problem with literally forcing Germans to move to the East. If Nazi Germany isn't going to survive for several centuries but is going to fall much more quickly, though, then the odds of them successfully Germanizing any territories other than western Poland probably aren't that high. |
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Post by futurist on Jan 8, 2019 0:02:24 GMT
What's really going to help Germany in the long(er)-run if it keeps these territories is the inevitable increase in its total fertility rate as a result of high-fertility people making up a larger and larger percentage of the total German population over time. After all, as with various other human traits, fertility preferences appear to be partly genetic (though certainly not without environmental influences).
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