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Post by MinnesotaNationalist on Jan 14, 2016 2:58:51 GMT
What was the first Alternate History you've ever created and/or seen? I have a feeling that everyone's first is going to be what if Nazis won, but maybe some will be different.
The first Alternate history I've seen and done was the classic (ie beaten to death) Nazi Victory scenario
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Post by Jasen777 on Jan 14, 2016 3:59:58 GMT
Either a Tecumseh wank inspired by Guns of the South (time travelers giving him weapons), or an AAR type write up based on an Axis and Allies game. Both of those when I was like 12. But if time traveling counts I probably had stuff before those...
The first "serious" timeline I did was a Dewey defeats Truman for a contest.
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Post by spanishspy on Jan 14, 2016 4:15:54 GMT
The first AH that I read was the WorldWar series; that brought me to TL-191 and the rest of Turtledove, then to other authors.
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Post by heliosmegistos on Jan 14, 2016 6:29:07 GMT
If a videogame counts then Command and Conquer Red Alert was it for me with Ancient Egypt Survives untill the Present Day on Robert's site been the first I discovered and read online.
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Post by orvillethird on Jan 14, 2016 15:03:05 GMT
First I read? Guns of the South. First I wrote? I have several ideas bouncing in my head, but it's either one that had Mark McKinnon in a car crash(which nearly happened) resulting in Bush losing SC, and McCain getting the WH (This was before I thought of the foreign policy implications, which would be disastrous), or the Zatanna movie being made.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 14, 2016 21:11:15 GMT
Mine was this one, saw it at my local library many years ago, it began my journey into alternate history. It is the Netherlands version of the Lightning in the night by Fred Allhof called Bommen op New York (English: bombs on New York).
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Post by Epic History on Jan 16, 2016 3:20:49 GMT
A scenario about a Third World War in 1948 due to the Berlin Crisis. The Anglo-French lead Western Europe sans what become OTL West Germany into armed neutrality, making the conflict pretty much an American/West German vs Warsaw Pact deal. The US is able to win a victory, and never initiates the Marshall Plan except for the Germans (Whom basically end up getting Pre-Invasion of Poland borders, IIRC) and the now occupied Warsaw Pact. It was pretty interesting and at least slightly plausible.
The first one I wrote was a random ASB Ameriwank unless one counts a handful of articles for 1983:DD.
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Post by Bfoxius on Jan 20, 2016 2:51:27 GMT
First AH I read? Gunpowder Empire by Turtledove. I was looking for a place where I could order the sequel, and I stumbled upon AH.com and Althistory. The rest is...history. First AH I wrote? This piece of work.
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Post by masterofoblivion on Jan 25, 2016 1:12:51 GMT
First Althistoryish thing I ever read was What If?. I highly recommend it. Its a collection of about 12 alternate history scenarios written by historians. Its stuff like Alexander the Great dying early or the Mongols invading Europe.
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Post by MinnesotaNationalist on Jan 25, 2016 5:26:46 GMT
I'm actually rather shocked the number of people who weren't introduced to Alternate History by a successful Nazi Germany. I was thinking, do to the number of those around, that that would be up high
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Post by rabbit on Jan 30, 2016 9:42:51 GMT
If a videogame counts then Command and Conquer Red Alert was it for me with Ancient Egypt Survives untill the Present Day on Robert's site been the first I discovered and read online. Red Alert 2!
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Post by crustyoldssg on Feb 2, 2016 19:16:40 GMT
"Guns of the South" by Turtledove-I was thoroughly addicted after that
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Post by Michelle R. Wood on Feb 12, 2016 20:54:00 GMT
The first alternate history I ever read was The Peshawar Lancers, in college. To quote the Amazon summary: It's very much an adventure book, but I really enjoyed how the author played with the idea of an Indianized British Empire. My first personal timeline (which I started in high school and abandoned before graduating) was an impeachment of Andrew Jackson in conjunction with the Trail of Tears. It was blatant wish fulfillment, but taught me a lot about historical research and reexamining one's biases. There's a world of difference between a short description of an event in a history book and the full political, social, and economic environment the people involved actually inhabited.
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Post by Krall on Feb 12, 2016 21:52:40 GMT
I think C&C: Red Alert was technically the first alternate history thing I experienced, but the thing that actually got me into this genre and community was the Ill Bethisad project. I don't remember how I found out about it, but at some point meandering about Wikipedia during my lunch break at school led me to Ill Bethisad and then to AH.com, and the rest is history.
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Post by MinnesotaNationalist on Feb 12, 2016 21:57:58 GMT
It's very much an adventure book, but I really enjoyed how the author played with the idea of an Indianized British Empire. My first personal timeline (which I started in high school and abandoned before graduating) was an impeachment of Andrew Jackson in conjunction with the Trail of Tears. It was blatant wish fulfillment, but taught me a lot about historical research and reexamining one's biases. There's a world of difference between a short description of an event in a history book and the full political, social, and economic environment the people involved actually inhabited. Interesting, I've been recently thinking about making an alternate history based more or less around that topic
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Post by Michelle R. Wood on Feb 13, 2016 16:16:48 GMT
MinnesotaNationalist: I didn't get very far with my timeline, since the more I dug into the research the more I realized the issues were WAY more complicated than I'd originally thought. But I've got a big folder of data I've added to over the years that I'd be more than happy to share and help work on a timeline for.
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Post by petros on May 14, 2016 22:57:46 GMT
I guess it's Red Alert, if we're counting alternate history from before I was thinking about things like alternate history.
The first conscious alternate history I was into was Dale Cozort's old site, which was full of great stuff written by DC, and great links to other AH stuff, including the first iteration of AH.com. This is over a decade ago now, but I would check that site pretty regularly, and had the scenarios copy-pasted onto my PC for when internet was down.
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Post by lordroel on May 15, 2016 15:07:32 GMT
I guess it's Red Alert, if we're counting alternate history from before I was thinking about things like alternate history. The first conscious alternate history I was into was Dale Cozort's old site, which was full of great stuff written by DC, and great links to other AH stuff, including the first iteration of AH.com. This is over a decade ago now, but I would check that site pretty regularly, and had the scenarios copy-pasted onto my PC for when internet was down. Does that site still exist.
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Post by hn on May 15, 2016 17:13:35 GMT
If a videogame counts then Command and Conquer Red Alert was it for me with Ancient Egypt Survives untill the Present Day on Robert's site been the first I discovered and read online. Same here... Red Alert was an amazing series. I think the first AH book that I read was Orson Scott Card's "no Columbus" book... Can't remember the title, it was trash.
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Post by petros on May 15, 2016 20:15:26 GMT
Does that site still exist. I don't have the original link (don't know if it's still up), but www.dalecozort.com/ seems to have most of the scenarios. It looks like it's his official site at the moment.
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