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Post by AYC on Dec 23, 2015 8:56:04 GMT
So there's going to be a referendum on this in California the next year, and I was hoping Althistoria could help me decide how to vote on this. ballotpedia.org/California_Condoms_in_Pornographic_Films_Initiative_(2016)What are your thoughts? I understand the potential benefits from a public health perspective, but I question how this would be enforced and the degree to which this veers into nanny state territory.
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Post by guinazacity on Dec 23, 2015 12:19:47 GMT
This is indeed interesting in a public health perspective, but it's almost impossible to really enforce.
I think more intensive std/i testing should be the way, though. Porn is all about fantasy and honestly, nobody uses condoms in their fantasies.
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Post by Hominid on Dec 23, 2015 23:16:29 GMT
I'd probably vote against it, honestly. I could see the benefits, but it would be hard to enforce and I don't like the idea of regulating movies like that (not that I really care deeply about pornography).
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Post by Southpaw on Dec 25, 2015 15:22:17 GMT
I do not agree with this proposition. Public health, of which this is a part, is of course important, but this is rather too nanny-statish for me. I would prefer a system of mandatory inspection of adult film actors for STDs, if this doesn't exist already.
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Post by oyid on Dec 26, 2015 19:50:01 GMT
The ballot summary says that it: "Requires producers of adult films to pay for performer vaccinations, testing, and medical examinations related to sexually transmitted infections. Requires producers to obtain state health license at beginning of filming and to post condom requirement at film sites." So really the other measures already mentioned are included in this proposal. A similar rule has been in place in 2012 and it bears mentioning that the "fantasy" aspect of such films is not trampled upon as (in all porn videos I remember watching at least) the condom usually appears off-screen and pops in during a jump-cut. Keep in mind that while the bigger, flashier porn production houses maintain high standards, most porn is still filmed in unsanitary, often even abusive conditions, as stated by performers who support the initiative. The page you linked to includes: "The adult film industry exposed me to blood on set because they just wanted to finish a scene. I did everything the adult film industry told me to do, and now I am HIV-positive. Pornographers are only interested in their bottom line, because they know that they can take advantage of women like me." and other such pleasant anecdotes, so while freedom of speech is all well and good, I think any and all measures that can make porn shoots a safer workplace for the vast majority of performers (who usually have no protection, prophylactic or otherwise) is a net good. The internet is full of testimonies about the unsafe and sometimes downright criminal conditions these people have to work in ( here's one), it's important to remember that these are workers, after all, and they deserve to earn their livings in safe, or at least not life-threatening, environments. Porn producers are really just appealing to free speech and "fantasy" as a way to reduce costs at the expense of their employees, who are then left to pay the price for their bosses' unsafe practices.
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Post by walpurgis on Feb 15, 2016 22:26:57 GMT
Yeah. condom use honestly should be as de rigeur on professional porn shoots as hard hat use on commercial constuction sites. If you want porn without condoms, consume amateur porn, and if you want construction without hardhats, hire your relatives and pay them in kind.
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