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Post by orvillethird on Jun 22, 2016 14:03:29 GMT
Since the UK politics thread would wind up getting overrun and overwhelmed, I'm starting one here. The referendum is tomorrow, and it promises to be a wild ride.
Post links and comments here!
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Post by eDGT on Jun 23, 2016 21:58:40 GMT
It's over. Good job everyone, Farage can return to his homeworld.
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Post by MinnesotaNationalist on Jun 23, 2016 22:18:57 GMT
Man, you brits can't make up your mind can you? First in Scotland where the referendum was almost the exact same 52-48, and now here as well?
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Post by eDGT on Jun 23, 2016 22:29:47 GMT
Man, you brits can't make up your mind can you? First in Scotland where the referendum was almost the exact same 52-48, and now here as well? Why do you think their heyday was when they were run by the navy, a palace full of fat landowners, and a German queen? Civilians are bad at decision making in general. |
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Post by orvillethird on Jun 24, 2016 1:17:02 GMT
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Post by MinnesotaNationalist on Jun 24, 2016 2:41:51 GMT
right now, it seems the current vote counts have leave nearly 200,000 votes ahead.
Hey Krall, I hope you enjoyed your stay in the EU!
edit: I just realized that we don't actually have any Brits talking on this thread yet...
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Post by Krall on Jun 24, 2016 3:20:09 GMT
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Post by orvillethird on Jun 24, 2016 3:25:32 GMT
What will happen to UKIP now that they appear to have won and rendered their major issue moot? Would they dissolve? Adapt? Rename?
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Post by Epic History on Jun 24, 2016 3:55:16 GMT
'Tis to glory, UKIP steers.
Very happy with this win by the Leave campaign, and the meltdown I've been seeing elsewhere in response to Nigel Farage's victory speech is an enjoyable bonus.
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Post by orvillethird on Jun 24, 2016 4:05:04 GMT
The foreign policy establishment is not happy, which makes me happy. The business establishment is unhappy, which makes me happy.
EU Parliament group presidents are having an emergency meeting.
NI's Remain vote has led to Sinn Fein to propose a unified Ireland.
SNP's culture secretary is not proposing independence, but is pointing out how Scotland voted Remain and this decision was in conflict with the wills of the Scots.
BBC reporter says this has implications for everything.
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Post by MinnesotaNationalist on Jun 24, 2016 4:33:09 GMT
Leave vote essentially guaranteed.
In completely unrelated news, the British pound has dropped to its lowest value since 1985. Completely unrelated, I swear.
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Post by orvillethird on Jun 24, 2016 4:53:44 GMT
Hearing someone on BBC state that 2/3 of Parliament opposed Brexit. If they want to respect the will of the people, they will have to take that into account.
Here are AP's updates in order in their predictions:
If I wasn't backing Brexit, I'd like this anyway after what the AP did to the US elections.
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Post by Krall on Jun 24, 2016 5:04:18 GMT
And it's official - Leave has a majority.
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Post by orvillethird on Jun 24, 2016 5:13:56 GMT
Between this and Chilcot, Cameron's days may be numbered.
As I head to bed, I leave with some appropriate music.
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Post by eDGT on Jun 24, 2016 7:56:15 GMT
To Irish Unity and Scottish Independence, ahoy!
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Post by orvillethird on Jun 24, 2016 13:38:34 GMT
Cameron announced this morning that he's resigning by later this year. Some are trying to force Corbyn out in a similar way (likely Blairites). The first US reaction is from Biden, "We would have preferred a different outcome." It's bad when it's rendered everyone but Biden speechless. Juncker is vowing no renegotiation, just like Greece- but then he and other EU leaders issued a joint statement saying there would be negotiations. Merkel is trying to get a summit of European leaders in response to Brexit. Sturgeon says IndyRef2 is on the table. (She's no Pelosi!) And, lastly, one beneficiary of Brexit is Julian Assange. No EU means no EU-wide warrant, which means that in two years, he can fly to Ecuador and the Swedes can talk to him there. (Since the UK is the nation trying to deny investigative access.) I'm very happy. www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-36570120More gems! There may be more Labour "leaders" pushing for Corbyn out than Tories pushing for Cameron. Morgan Stanley is pulling up stakes. There are calls for getting out of the EU in numerous countries. One country that is not wanting to get out? Ukraine. (Of course, given how its economy tanked after the treaty was signed...they may change minds.) Cameron says negotiations will begin by October after new PM. The Bank of England governor was appealing for calm and saying they had plans for this- even after he said there would be a recession. And the wildest part: There's now a petition for LONDON independence! |
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Post by orvillethird on Jun 24, 2016 15:06:13 GMT
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Post by Rhand on Jun 26, 2016 3:03:20 GMT
I get annoyed at people claiming that older generations forced a choice on younger people. I mean seriously, older people use up most of our healthcare money, and younger people get input into decisions on healthcare. We can't turn around and then get mad when older people make these decisions.
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Post by orvillethird on Jun 26, 2016 4:01:46 GMT
I'm not sure why so many people are upset at the referendum and want a "do-over", yet think that four to five years is a good time to have a government stay in power, no matter the mistakes they have made. (Seriously, the Fixed Term Parliaments Act is something I see no need for. (Of course, I'd have voted no confidence back when Parliament voted not to go to war with Syria.))
Speaking of which, you can tell Fox is against something when they say it would benefit IS or Al-Quaida. They're saying that about Brexit. (Of course, to be fair, AQ and IS are wanting to take advantage of it...but if they think it's a good thing, they don't realize that it was Cameron who backed taking out Saddam and Ghadafi and wanted to take out Assad. The new Tory leader (and CERTAINLY UKIP- and certainly Corbyn (though maybe not a Blairite)) would not make those mistakes.)
It's also interesting to see Fox News split down the middle, with some correspondents, anchors and talking heads backing Brexit and some going against it, sometimes on the same program. (I'm stuck watching Fox news at work a lot of the time*.)
Also ironic that Fox is mixed on Brexit wile Sky and Sun were for.
One UK politics question- Could we see UKIP and Tories uniting like the Reform/ Alliance and the Progressive Conservatives did in Canada?
The market drop remind me of the 2008 bailouts. Congress rejected them and Wall street tanked. That got a lot of people to change their mind. I hope history does not repeat itself in the UK.
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Two points I hope both sides agree on. One is gratitude to all those who worked the polls. All the counters, runners and staff who worked the polling places from Gibraltar to Belfast to Orkney and Land's End to John O' Groats had a huge job. They did it well and kept it as smooth as possible. America should take note how you do it- and with less spoilage and paper ballots! (Of course, I am a poll worker in the USA, so I am biased.)
The second is on Trump. No matter if you were for or against Brexit (or for whatever reason), you have to admit that Trump had little to nothing to do with this. The papers and UKIP were trying to get the UK out back when Trump was a TV star. Cameron and others were wanting to stay in before Trump filed papers. Even if you're against Brexit you can realize that Trump had little or nothing to do with it- so don't give him credit.
* The worst thing I see is not political, it's their repeated "Fox News Alert" thing, even on stories that have no new information.
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Post by orvillethird on Jun 29, 2016 0:46:01 GMT
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