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Post by whiteshore on Jul 10, 2016 10:33:42 GMT
What if the Edward VIII refused to back down in the Abdication Crisis and with both Atlee and Baldwin refusing to serve as his Prime Minister, Edward VIII decides to turn to Oswald Mosley and the British Union of Fascists (in coalition with Winston Churchill's pro-Edward VIII faction of the Tory party), leading to Oswald Mosley becoming the British Prime Minister and eventually quashing opposition with assistance of royalist elements in the army and establishing a Fascist dictatorship with Churchill and co being sidelined and eventually purged after all other opposition is crushed. How do France, Germany, Japan, Italy, Soviet Russia, and America react? What happens in the Dominions? Do local fascists, inspired by Mosley and the BUF seize power? Or do they turn to Washington and either proclaim a republic or proclaim Prince Albert the King?
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Post by spanishspy on Jul 11, 2016 18:16:37 GMT
What if the Edward VIII refused to back down in the Abdication Crisis and with both Atlee and Baldwin refusing to serve as his Prime Minister, Edward VIII decides to turn to Oswald Mosley and the British Union of Fascists (in coalition with Winston Churchill's pro-Edward VIII faction of the Tory party), leading to Oswald Mosley becoming the British Prime Minister and eventually quashing opposition with assistance of royalist elements in the army and establishing a Fascist dictatorship with Churchill and co being sidelined and eventually purged after all other opposition is crushed. How do France, Germany, Japan, Italy, Soviet Russia, and America react? What happens in the Dominions? Do local fascists, inspired by Mosley and the BUF seize power? Or do they turn to Washington and either proclaim a republic or proclaim Prince Albert the King? The Germans and Italians are going to be quite happy. France will be terrified, the US will be hesitant, and the Soviet Union will be wary.
Hitler may offer to give parts of Normandy and Calais to the UK for historical reasons if they help with France.
The Empire is going to be interesting. The ugly elements of the Empire will happily work with the new regime, especially the ruling elite in South Africa (and indeed many other African colonies). Expect some rather nasty colonial wars, as well as invasions of hostile colonies.
Japan will be worried by a militaristic Britain - they would not give up Singapore, Hong Kong, or India (especially the latter) without a fight. This might actually draw Germany away from Japan and towards China.
The United States may end up working with Britain in the Pacific, perhaps forcing them to stomach limited cooperation with the Nazis. The American public will not be happy and will force a breaking of the alliance after the war.
The Soviet Union will prepare for an even more brutal war, now against Britain.
Poland will likely be divided without question.
The Dominions might declare independence or elect their own authoritarian states. Expect poor treatment of Quebecois, Canadian First Nations, Maori, and Australian Aboriginals if that is the case.
Ireland, a dominion, is going to wholeheartedly reject the new government. The entire island may go independent.
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Post by whiteshore on Jul 11, 2016 22:44:01 GMT
I'd imagine that Canada and Australia-NZ would align themselves with Washington as soon as Britain goes Fascist.
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Post by spanishspy on Jul 12, 2016 1:22:17 GMT
I'd imagine that Canada and Australia-NZ would align themselves with Washington as soon as Britain goes Fascist. If they resist the rise of their own right-wing authoritarian parties, then certainly. Newfoundland may seek integration with Canada earlier as a precautionary measure - as would British territories in the Caribbean. |
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Post by Kubo Caskett on Jul 12, 2016 1:26:41 GMT
I'd imagine that Canada and Australia-NZ would align themselves with Washington as soon as Britain goes Fascist. In the case of Canada, I would bet that integration and annexation with the US would come very soon. |
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Post by orvillethird on Jul 15, 2016 2:14:26 GMT
I can see the US siding against Britain. The modern view of the "special relationship" dates back to Churchill and the mystique around him (Ignoring things like BSC, which helped spy on the United States and influence policy). I could see Canada (and other British-connected territories in the Americas) trying to break away or at least lessen the ties, with the US (and other nations) using the Monroe Doctrine as justification to defend them, similar to OTL. Maybe not annexation, but certainly closer ties.
I also think that the decolonization would happen a lot sooner once the Brits were defeated...
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Post by whiteshore on Jul 15, 2016 10:27:31 GMT
Does the BUF regime revive the Anglo-Japanese Alliance or do they persuade Hitler to stick with KMT China? Also, would the regime be closer to Nazi Germany or to Fascist Italy in it's flavor of Fascism?
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Post by spicyjuan on Oct 4, 2017 19:58:02 GMT
What if the Edward VIII refused to back down in the Abdication Crisis and with both Atlee and Baldwin refusing to serve as his Prime Minister, Edward VIII decides to turn to Oswald Mosley and the British Union of Fascists (in coalition with Winston Churchill's pro-Edward VIII faction of the Tory party), leading to Oswald Mosley becoming the British Prime Minister and eventually quashing opposition with assistance of royalist elements in the army and establishing a Fascist dictatorship with Churchill and co being sidelined and eventually purged after all other opposition is crushed. How do France, Germany, Japan, Italy, Soviet Russia, and America react? What happens in the Dominions? Do local fascists, inspired by Mosley and the BUF seize power? Or do they turn to Washington and either proclaim a republic or proclaim Prince Albert the King? The BUF and especially Mosley would never go through what you described for the simple fact that they weren't that radical when compared to Hitler or even Mussolini. In any case, Britain would've been much, much friendlier to Germany to the point where they might even become allies. France would've been scared to death and may have yielded Alsace-Lorraine without a fight. If they did decide to do so then they'd be done earlier than IOTL, perhaps in 4 weeks instead of 6. The implications of Britain being on Germany's side means that they'd still likely not approve of German mass annexations of the Netherlands, Belgium, Burgundy, and northern France. Italy will be much more side-stepped than IOTL but will still try to snatch up Savoy, Nice, Tunisia, the balkans, and Algeria. The Soviet Union would be much warier of Germany and would still sign the MR pact so they could reequip. However, the Soviets would still need a lot of time to fix their many problems, time they wouldn't have. I also see the Soviets not provoking Finland being cautious of German/British intervention. This would mean that the Soviets would have even more issues during Barbarossa than OTL. However, the odds of the Soviet Union surviving past the opening months of Barbarossa is very slim, Japan might even try to snatch the far east. Japan is a wild-card in this scenario depending on how the British-German axis handle it. They could either court Japan and massively outclass the USN with a coalition of the largest navies of the world (Japan, RN, Italy, KM) or help China, effectively leaving Japan a lone-wolf. The USA will depend on who's leading it. No matter who's in charge the two-ocean navy will go through, however they may try to have a rapprochement with the Axis. As for the dominions, South Africa and India will definitely be under British control, Canada will go neutral (lean USA), Oceania will likely keep with Britain due to the Japanese in the north. |
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