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Post by punkrockbowler805 on Jul 30, 2016 0:58:41 GMT
I was thinking about what the fifties would be like in America in an axis victory in Europe scenario. Instead of a red scare McCarthy hearing situation I think there would be investigations of businesses with Nazi ties like Ford. Any thoughts?
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Post by Kubo Caskett on Jul 30, 2016 2:29:49 GMT
A lot of people with right of center views would get massively screwed by the government and the whole hysteria would end up enabling Nazi apologists the same way the Red scare did with the commie apologists. Expect a lot of slogans about destroying "evil, reactionary, fascist subversives" in this scenario, almost similar to the mudslinging on anyone who doesn't agree with some...certain left-wing people by the latter group in question.
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Post by whiteshore on Jul 30, 2016 3:38:21 GMT
Would we see a scenario of left-liberal Democrats and centrist Republicans in such a "brown scare"?
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Post by MinnesotaNationalist on Jul 30, 2016 3:52:53 GMT
A lot of the counter-culture and civil rights movement of the 60's was based around "Hey, you (the government) say you're all about freedom and equality, but we black folk have no freedom and equality, so you're no better than the Soviets, how about you give us some?"
In this world, I would imagine the Government would pull an answer out of their arse, something along the lines of "Hey, at least you're better off here than those guys in Germanland," and probably either put off the civil rights movement for a time (until they say that better isn't enough), that or America might go against the idea of racism from the bottom up rather than from the top down, since you know racism is something that those damned fascies believe in, and we don't want to be associated with them fascies.
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Post by punkrockbowler805 on Jul 30, 2016 20:14:05 GMT
I think since they are competing with a racist regime they would do more of the federally mandated desegregations in the fifties.
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Post by Kubo Caskett on Jul 31, 2016 1:03:44 GMT
I think since they are competing with a racist regime they would do more of the federally mandated desegregations in the fifties. My thoughts exactly, at least segregation would fall faster than OTL's and I would put that as a plus. Though I would imagine the average southern folk would have a hard time with the Confederate connotations that would make them subject to the government's paranoia, them and German-Americans in general. Not to mention that we would have more of a far-left influence on the nation since the other side is obviously far-right; and more and more Soviet apologists. |
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Post by punkrockbowler805 on Jul 31, 2016 21:24:57 GMT
Maybe with a more left-new deal fifties and a U.S. still allied to the battered remains of the Soviets Henry Wallace is president.
Could also see Peron's Argentina as the Nazi's Cuba equivalent.
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Post by eDGT on Jul 31, 2016 21:36:45 GMT
I think since they are competing with a racist regime they would do more of the federally mandated desegregations in the fifties. Wasn't there supposed to be some FDR backed initiative for desegregation, which never took off because he died at a rather inconvenient moment? A world where the Nazi's batter Britain and the Soviets into submission before a US entry could definitely have Roosevelt backing some sort of purge of open and closet Fascists. Not a violent one of course, but still close enough to a Red Scare. Though I still don't think even a President as awe inspiring as Roosevelt could desegregate America in one move. Even if he gets the ball rolling his legacy is going to end up being controversial, he might even end up being remembered by conservatives as a borderline dictator. |
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Post by punkrockbowler805 on Aug 4, 2016 4:13:38 GMT
He already is seen as a dictator by them. He would target Lindbergh who he said of " if I die now, I want you to know I swear Lindbergh is a Nazi"
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