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Post by mcnutt on Sept 23, 2016 18:45:12 GMT
During the planning process, a plan for D Day was discussed to have the invasion of France occur on May 1, 1944. It also had the landings on Normandy and Southern France occur on the same day. If this plan had been used, I see the forces in Southern France moving with their OTL speed. They would liberate Paris on June 15, 1944. By July 1, 1944 they have linked up with the WAllied forces on Normandy. They do so by advancing to the eastern most place occupied by the WAllies, thereby cutting off most of the German forces in France. The WAllies advance to the German border by July 21, 1944. They overwhelm the understaffed Germans and cross the Rhine on September 25, 1944. In October, the Soviets launch an offensive. They take Warsaw on October 11, 1944 and Budapest on October 16, 1944. By late November the Soviets cross the German border. On December 7, 1944, the WAllies take Prague. On December 8, 1944 the Soviets surround Berlin. On December 9, 1944 Hitler commits suicide. On December 16, 1944, VE Day, the Germans surrender. On March 16, 1945, the USSR declared war on Japan and invaded Manchukuo. In April, WAllied European veterans enter the Pacific. They arrive in time for the attack on Okinawa, which comes under complete Allied control on May 11, 1945. Also in April 1945, the Japanese begin to suffer from the full force of the US Army Corps and the RAF. On August 3, 1945, with his cities in ruins and urban refugees competing for the scarce food supplies with the rural population, Herohito surrenders. The atomic bomb is a military secret, until 1949, when the Soviets announce they have developed one. There are two parts of the world that are changed ITTL. Czechoslavika comes to an end on January 23, 1946 in a not so velvet divorce. The Soviet occupied People's Republic of Slovakia declares it's independence. Czeczia, along with West German, is a front line nation of NATO. It hosts a number of US military bases. If you are the child of an American military veteran and a German, you may have a different heritage. Soviet occupied China is a Soviet satellite. Jaing's government is expelled and flees to Taiwan in 1946. Truman benefits because no one asks who lost China? The Soviets veto the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution. They support Deng's reforms, since it will make China less dependent on Soviet aid. The China's economy booms like OTL. There is no playing the China card. US reestablishes relations with China under Reagan after lobbying by corporations eager to cash in on the lucrative China trade.
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Post by orvillethird on Sept 23, 2016 19:32:25 GMT
A cool TL, but I can think of a few things.
In 1944, does Wallace hang onto the VP spot, or does Harry Truman get the nod thanks to his crony Hannegan, or does someone else?
Even if the Germans were trapped, they'd try and fight on, though not so much as if the Soviets had cut them off.
No doubt the Allies would like to try Olympic and Coronet, while the Soviets might want to fight for north Japan.
Is the Chinese Civil War still going on? If so, would the US still imprison or expel Qian Xuesen? (The latter may not occur, as the Korean War would not be going on.) If he was expelled, the Chinese might use him, but the Russians might as well- and they might get further ahead in the space race as a result. (And some suggest Tsien started the Great Leap Forward...)
I do think that, as the PRC and Vietnam fought after the Vietnam War was over, The PRC might wind up clashing with Russia. That in itself could be a big problem. (One wonders if the US would get involved.)
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Post by Krall on Sept 23, 2016 19:57:32 GMT
Interesting idea, but I'm not clear on why China ends up a Soviet satellite in this timeline - as far as I can see all the reasons for the Sino-Soviet Split are still there. Am I missing something?
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Post by mcnutt on Sept 26, 2016 0:37:14 GMT
A cool TL, but I can think of a few things.
In 1944, does Wallace hang onto the VP spot, or does Harry Truman get the nod thanks to his crony Hannegan, or does someone else?
This does not help Wallace. Truman still gets the nomination.
Even if the Germans were trapped, they'd try and fight on, though not so much as if the Soviets had cut them off.
No doubt the Allies would like to try Olympic and Coronet, while the Soviets might want to fight for north Japan.
ITTL Herohito surrenders before the invasion of Japan.
Is the Chinese Civil War still going on? If so, would the US still imprison or expel Qian Xuesen? (The latter may not occur, as the Korean War would not be going on.) If he was expelled, the Chinese might use him, but the Russians might as well- and they might get further ahead in the space race as a result. (And some suggest Tsien started the Great Leap Forward...)
I do think that, as the PRC and Vietnam fought after the Vietnam War was over, The PRC might wind up clashing with Russia. That in itself could be a big problem. (One wonders if the US would get involved.)
Interesting idea, but I'm not clear on why China ends up a Soviet satellite in this timeline - as far as I can see all the reasons for the Sino-Soviet Split are still there. Am I missing something?
China is occupied by the Soviets. They side with the Communists and expel Jiang's government. I don't know Qian Xuesen. ITTL the Korean War still happens.
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Post by Krall on Sept 27, 2016 3:02:01 GMT
China is occupied by the Soviets. They side with the Communists and expel Jiang's government. I don't know Qian Xuesen. ITTL the Korean War still happens. Sorry, but I don't see where the difference in Soviet-Chinese relations comes from. Why would an earlier D-Day lead to the USSR being able to more closely control the Chinese government? |
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Post by mcnutt on Oct 2, 2016 2:48:53 GMT
Sorry, but I don't see where the difference in Soviet-Chinese relations comes from. Why would an earlier D-Day lead to the USSR being able to more closely control the Chinese government?
Yes because China is occupied by Soviet forces.
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Post by Krall on Oct 2, 2016 3:33:25 GMT
Yes because China is occupied by Soviet forces. How does an earlier D-Day cause that? How does the USSR occupy China considering its size and population? Why would it even do that, when there's a Soviet-aligned communist movement in China that could control the country for them? Also, you can click the "Quote" button on the top-right of posts to quote them - it makes things a lot easier.  |
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