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Post by MarshalBraginsky on Jun 12, 2017 5:14:14 GMT
IOTL, the ascension of Vladislaus II of Bohemia into the Hungarian throne marked the start of Hungary's downfall because the Hungarian magnates wanted a weak ruler from whom they can extract concessions. This desire comes after Matthias Corvinus's reign where the magnates didn't get most of what they wanted.
So who could be a good alternative successor to Matthias Corvinus? John Corvinus can't qualify, as he was illegitimate, and Beatrice of Naples didn't have any other children with the previous King of Hungary.
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Post by steve59 on Jun 12, 2017 15:06:13 GMT
IOTL, the ascension of Vladislaus II of Bohemia into the Hungarian throne marked the start of Hungary's downfall because the Hungarian magnates wanted a weak ruler from whom they can extract concessions. This desire comes after Matthias Corvinus's reign where the magnates didn't get most of what they wanted. So who could be a good alternative successor to Matthias Corvinus? John Corvinus can't qualify, as he was illegitimate, and Beatrice of Naples didn't have any other children with the previous King of Hungary. From a quick Wiki check what if his 2nd wife Catherine of Poděbrady doesn't die in childbirth in 1464 and lives to give him several children, including at least one son? If he's able to establish a stable dynasty and keep the Black Army together and especially if his heir holds the Bohemian lands, which are quite wealthy then he might be able to defeat pressure from both Ottomans and HRE. Or Beatrice, his 3rd wife, does give him a son. Basically it sounds like Mathias or his heir needs to quickly inflict a crushing defeat on rebel nobles and bring a lot of their land under either royal control or have it transferred to loyalists. Both boosting his own power and tax base so the costs of maintaining the army is less overall and frightening other nobles out of opposing him. I wonder could he try with any such confiscated estates establishing a theme type system, especially in areas bordering the Ottomans? Could that possibly be a good help in fighting off pressure from the south and possibly later winning at least some loyalty from any areas Hungary drives the Ottomans out of. [Although with the religious split between Catholics and Orthodox there is still likely to be tensions]. If your talking avout a POD immediately after his death then I don't think I can really suggest anything. It does say John did fight for the throne but this was in opposition to Gernan and Polish claimants and all it really achieved was to ravage much of the country. Possibly if one claimant does win quickly and then proves not a pushover for the nobles. |
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Post by MarshalBraginsky on Jun 12, 2017 17:48:36 GMT
Beatrice giving him a son or daughter could do the trick, but that might require Matthias Corvinus to live a few years longer.
If Beatrice gives him a daughter or two, then they would be valuable pieces for any potential dynastic marriages, either with the Hapsburgs, Jagiellons or any other Catholic family (Wettins, Wittlesbachs, Valois, even the dynasties of Italy and Spain).
IF on the other hand, she gives him a son or two, then they would naturally succeed into the Hungarian throne but then their brides would also be influential in tying Hungary to whichever family that has more ambitions.
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Post by steve59 on Jun 12, 2017 18:52:49 GMT
Beatrice giving him a son or daughter could do the trick, but that might require Matthias Corvinus to live a few years longer. If Beatrice gives him a daughter or two, then they would be valuable pieces for any potential dynastic marriages, either with the Hapsburgs, Jagiellons or any other Catholic family (Wettins, Wittlesbachs, Valois, even the dynasties of Italy and Spain). IF on the other hand, she gives him a son or two, then they would naturally succeed into the Hungarian throne but then their brides would also be influential in tying Hungary to whichever family that has more ambitions. Good point as the child would be only 15-16 at most if Matthias died at the historical date. Unless he could find a very loyal regent or the boy was a genius, which would be pushing it a fair bit. As you say a daughter might be useful for marriages, although there could be problems of it means other people/families are linked to the Hungarian throne and could have their own designs on it. |
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Post by MarshalBraginsky on Jun 13, 2017 5:51:43 GMT
Beatrice giving him a son or daughter could do the trick, but that might require Matthias Corvinus to live a few years longer. If Beatrice gives him a daughter or two, then they would be valuable pieces for any potential dynastic marriages, either with the Hapsburgs, Jagiellons or any other Catholic family (Wettins, Wittlesbachs, Valois, even the dynasties of Italy and Spain). IF on the other hand, she gives him a son or two, then they would naturally succeed into the Hungarian throne but then their brides would also be influential in tying Hungary to whichever family that has more ambitions. Good point as the child would be only 15-16 at most if Matthias died at the historical date. Unless he could find a very loyal regent or the boy was a genius, which would be pushing it a fair bit. As you say a daughter might be useful for marriages, although there could be problems of it means other people/families are linked to the Hungarian throne and could have their own designs on it. Yep, and there is only a slim window of opportunity for Matthias to sire a child before he kicks the bucket. Considering that he might also have some ailments as well, his opportunity to sire children at all shrinks. |
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